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PZ Myers said:

"I know I’m notorious for complaining about those goofy definitions of atheism
('it just means 'not believing in god, nothing more!', the superficial mob will say)
"

My reply:

PZ, I find it disappointing that you consider dictionary definitions "goofy"
just because they don't define the word the way you want them to.

And calling people "superficial" is nothing more than hurling an insult
at those with whom you disagree.

PZ Myers said:

"Because the word has acquired much deeper resonances
that we ignore at our peril,
and has implications far greater than simple rejection of one assertion.
"

My reply:

PZ, the word that carries the definition you desire is called "Humanism."
It is unnecessary and illogical to attempt to redefine a word
when there exists another word that already fits what you want.

PZ Myers attacks atheists who don't stay in line (again)


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One thing (among so many) that really pisses me off, is the infighting that I see among atheists over how best to battle the ignorance and hate promoted by Ghost Worshipers. I believe that, as the tiniest army on Earth, we can't afford to divide our meager resources by alienating comrades who don't agree with our favorite method. We need to attack with everything we've got: the army, navy, air force, and the marines. Some people respond best to a soft approach; others need a hammer.

Here is a group that works for progress by using methods completely opposite to what I use; and I wish them the best of luck. I think many people will respond to the approach that this group employs. For those who don't ... some of us carry hammers.

The Humanist 'Church' at Harvard


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For years P.Z. Myers has refused to back down
from his stance against 'Dictionary' atheists.
He maintains that atheism entails far more than simply a rejection of God.
I even did a podcast (#140) trying to explain to him
where I believe his thinking went wrong.

But now I think he is finally beginning to see the light.

Myers deeply disappointed in a portion of the atheist community

Atheists may believe in homeopathy, Bigfoot, and alien visitations.
They may hold opinions that are bigoted against gays and women
as demonstrated in the link above.
The only thing you can be sure they have in common, is a disbelief in God ...

by definition


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Richard Carrier posted a video on YouTube in which he promoted Atheism+.
Personally, I don't care much for the movement
because I disagree with its basic premise;
that Atheism encompasses anything more than a disbelief in gods.
I think they are conflating Atheism with Humanism.
I will admit however, that some of their ideas are good
(for instance, when they line up with humanistic values).

Many atheists reject the premise of Atheism+,
but one group led by 'Thunderfoot', has escalated the dispute into a hissy fit.
They went to the video site and downgraded it.
I commented, chastizing the group for such childish behavior.
Naturally, a few of them responded. Here is one of them:

Read his comments - followed by my replies

I think this is a perfect time to try out my new 'Retard Chart'

I.Q.    Classification
<70                Moron
<50            Imbecile
<25                  Idiot

So where does our first-ever Retard Contestant fit in?

Actually, he survived. He was evaluated above Moron.
You can decide for yourselves ... by how much.

I guess I spoke too soon.
After reading this article he posted a reply
complaining about being labeled ...

a moron


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Biology professor PZ Myers has taken quite a bit of heat for about 2 years now over his dismissal of 'Dictionary' atheists. Those are people who define atheists, solely as people who reject all god claims, as per the dictionary. Myers prefers a broader definition that he has apparently created himself. His definition includes a set of morals and beliefs that define what an atheist is. The more flack he receives, the harder he doubles down on his position. At this point, there seems to be little hope that he will abandon his position.

However, it is no longer necessary to continue this debate. Whether he admits it or not, Myers has destroyed his own argument with a serious of posts in recent months in which he has lashed out at immature sexual harassers within the atheist community. Are these people atheists? By Myers' own admission ... they are. Do they fit into 'his' definition of atheists? No.

This is what happens when you try to redefine words to be what you want them to be - a lesson Myers should have learned from the experts in redefinition ... Creationists.

Case closed.


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Debates


VIDEO DEBATE

Neo vs. Joel Saint on "The Existence of God"

Watch (56:26)


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As long as you're in the mood to watch videos:

Video of Neo vs. Matt Slick's
Transcendental Argument for the existence of God
(17:26)

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Read the Email Exchange That Preceded the Video


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This debate was so one-sided that the church which hosted it, refused to post it
until pressured to do so by multiple atheist groups (1:17:41).

Phil Zuckerman vs. David Marshall


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15 questions atheists are sick of hearing ...

And some nifty replies


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"Eight Examples of How I Agree with Religious Fundamentalists"
by Herb Silverman

And my responses to his essay (3 pages)


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Humor


The evolution of man



Hinduism (polytheism), Christianity (3 gods), Islam (monotheism), Atheism (no gods).


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Islam


First read this story about "Islamophobia" in the U.S.

Now realize, that polls prove
that there is one group which Americans hate even more than Muslims ...

atheists


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Islamic apostate makes the connection that most of us missed:

Maryam Namazie (~50 minutes)

The Christian Inquisition lives on today ... in modern radical Islam.


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Morality


Bad Christian arguments: atheists are immoral

This one wasn't even close

Any way you cut it ... atheists, in general, are more moral.


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Information on the religious beliefs of federal inmates
has been released by the government.

Actual prison statistics

Atheists didn't do all that bad ... did we?


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Imagine if all the atheists left America (2:19)

Polls


The Rise of Atheism

At least we're headed in the right direction.
But we have a long, long way to go.


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Violence


Atheist nutjob murders 3 Muslims over a parking dispute

If there is a silver lining in this horrific tragedy
it is that the incarceration of this craphead
will nearly double the number of atheists in prison;
something that Christians have been hoping for ...

for a long, long time

UPDATE

After an atheist murdered 3 Muslims in North Carolina ...

some writers got it wrong (4 pages)

Her essay generated over 1,000 comments
many of which, tried to tell her the same thing I did.
(maybe that's why she got so "touchy?")


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